More importantly, it's a good idea to remove your vassals and place your dynasty in their own position, for the dynasty relation boost. It's -20% taxes and levies to your totals for each domain that you are over. With level 2 or higher you can revoke titles. Let them declare war and simply beat them into submission. Using the situation report icon (1), you can quickly check what titles you can create or usurp (2). Obviously, this encroaches into your vassal limit quickly, and it also creates lots of similar strength vassals that the game will treat as ‘strong vassals’ that feel entitled to a council spot. ie transfer counts to serve under dukes. This lasts for one year. For example, vassal_limit = 20 will increase the vassal limit by 20. Nov 19, 2020 · Originally posted by BaCaz: about 5 click's away I found. I can´t, I'm in ironman mode. Vassals can declare for their liege and raise their armies in defense of the crown, declare neutrality, or side with the rebels. Feb 28, 2023 · Reichskrone. That limit forces me to have vassal kings that may ruin the achievement for me by converting to the local culture with the local court language. Basically it puts you into a death-spiral unless you have several thousand gold to recreate all the Duke titles again. siriannn. Apr 13, 2022 · The unofficially titled 'North Korea strategy' has returned for Crusader Kings 3, and it lets you completely dominate the world if pulled off correctly. This is shown for your house in the bottom toolbar, to the right of your character's portrait. Just beg to RNG Jesus. We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. You also don't have to deal with republican vassal offspring because they are chosen randomly after death on succession. Sending them gold and lowering crown authority are effective methods. Way 5: No vassals. You can give council positions, bribes, use sway or hooks and manage their relationships that way. The best way to deal with the vassal limit is to manage your kingdom's titles hierarchy. This means that if you are a king and hold 5 duchies, you will have a natural -45 opinion debuff with all of your vassals. Vassals Limit Overhaul. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement. This is because an alliance with a larger military power will drastically increase your military power, making the faction less likely to revolt. If I conquered a Duchy that is de jure to one of my King vassal's titles, I will: hand out the counties, make the best Count the Duke, then transfer the Duke to the King. Grace Period. When you know how ck2 works, it's very easy exploit vassal relations, counsil, battle system etc. Due to how domain limit works, you want to try to keep the best counties for yourself and have vassals for the crappier ones. ryker. Sep 14, 2020. As the theory goes it is possible to stack +64 vassal limit with illustrious crowns, those get 14-16 vassal limit. If you have more than 40 duke-tier vassals, you'll have problems, but it takes a long time to get there. 4Avoid providing an opportunity by keeping vassals busy. 10 to 14 Stewardship -> +2 Domain Limit. +10 Courtier and Guest Opinion. Those are the rules of thumb. Oct 2, 2023 · Penalties for holding too many duchies. In practice, much of your power come Other than that, give out larger titles as a last resort ONLY whenever you hit vassal limit. Vassal number updated when handing off personal county to new vassal. You have no vassal limit so you just create vassals and they’ll pay you taxes. Extends the vassal limits to make them more forgiving: Duke up from 20 to 25. As a player it is likely you will have at least a few Vassals serving you, but it is also possible for you to be a Vassal to another. Additionally it is harder to manage swarm of 60 vassals as opposed to let's say 10 dukes/kings. 4 pedestal item slots in the court room. [1] For every vassal above the Vassal Limit, -5% is imposed on vassal taxes and vassal levies, up to -95% . Sep 9, 2020 · Being over on the vassal limit lowers your income, except you need income in order to create all the Duke titles again in order to get under the vassal limit. The faction system in CK3 is extremely complex and multi-faceted. The tradeoff is a substantially lower total vassal limit and only being able to have count vassals, but depending on size it might make sense. Dec 20, 2022 · The best way for players that aren’t good in Intrigue to get rid of vassals in CK3 is to revoke the titles of the vassal you want to release from their oath. I swallowed up the HRE in one go. Description. Factions form for any ruler from a count to an emperor, and learning how to deal with them is crucial to keeping your power. Your domain limit is impacted by your stewardship, also +3 if you’re a king. • 4 yr. I'm working according to the guide suggestion, which was to promote my Greco-Egyptian culture on the Like if I work for a weak duke and negotiate an amazing contract and then get independence from him to the king, why should the king have to honor that same contract. If you check the vassal in your character you'll get a closer idea of how many you actually have. - The Iron Crown of Lombardy: +10 vassal limit. Late game you can get the Imperial government type which adds a whopping 25. If you're stuck on whom to make a vassal (like i've seen in your other comments) a republic/theocratic vassal is also a good option. each of my direct vassals held multiple king titles Jan 31, 2023 · Every duchy over two will lower the opinion of all your vassals in CK3. In that tree the first trait serve the crown gives +0. Vassals can in turn distribute lands to vassals of their own, which is called subinfeudation. - The Reichskrone: +25 vassal limit. As in I have 91/80 vassals, but I cant get it to go down. Sep 24, 2020 · Prepare for War in Crusader Kings 3. An Alliance is an agreement between two rulers that they can call upon or join each other's wars via a character interaction and cannot revoke titles if one is a vassal unless guilty of a crime. Your vassal limit is like 40, so depending on your kingdom, you can probably do without dukes. EDIT: usurping a title also updated the vassal count. You can right click on a person and an option to grant title should come up. I say immediately because you won't yet incur any penalty to all your demense holdings and levies despite being over the limit. You may want to try a save/load and see if that makes the change stick. Get your crown authority to limited and you can start revoking titles from vassals/baronies to get some more domains. Maybe not a thrilling prospect, but certainly doable if you behave. Jul 14, 2015 · Add bookmark. Can I 'swap' a county with a vassal? Basically, I am King of Ireland, including Petty King of Munster, and Petty King of Leinster. Sep 7, 2020 · Crown Authority level 1 is Autonomous Vassals. 6. Aug 20, 2023 · Keeping vassals happy is crucial in Crusader Kings 3 to avoid factions and civil war. While the initial investment of starting the snowball might seem difficult, I promise it will pay off quite well. Feb 23, 2015 · Vassal limit also increases as you reach higher tiers of rulership (duchy, kingdom, empire), and once you have a large enough empire, you can adopt imperial administration to increase it by 25. There are two ways to grant title. Right click the child you want to disinherit. Being a vassal duke in CK3 is very powerful if your king is not your de jure liege. Lower centralization. Your choices are limited then. 5Consider giving into minor demands. Plus even if you have weak vassals they will fight and squabble among themselves eventually creating duchies of their own. Then pick your best Duke to become the King. To get the basics out of the way, a Vassal is a landed ruler who swears their allegiance to another character. #3. Originally posted by Jiffypop: Originally posted by Dragster6681: If you mean the number in the top right, that's the holdings that are personally in your name. You get rid of the penalty and increases your Renown gain in one stroke. It adds penalties to your taxes, military, and general opinion. May 2, 2022 · Then the solution is to change your lifestyle to Authority (which gives +0. My vassal owns the counties of Ossory and Ormond, I own Leinster. Vassal limit is to big, which permitted creating of very big empires. And it shows 88/80 after everything I did. Reactions: Reply. If you've played Crusader Kings II for any decent length of time, you've almost certainly encountered what happens when vassals get too strong and dislike you. If any single vassal gets strong enough to challenge your power, you're at constant risk of rebellion. Each vassal above whatever limit you have from your title limit is, is 5% less of money and levies from vassal contributions. Usually its 10%. Whether you're a returning player from a previous Crusader Kings title or a first time player of the franchise, this Yes there is. For each duchy above the limit of 2 that a king or emperor holds, they incur the following penalties: Opinion malus from all vassals (-15 for each excess duchy) This stacks up very quickly if multiple excess duchies are held. Opinions are also -10 per domain over. - Stone of Score: has a randomly generated modifier that can be + vassal limit. Shoving vassals under lieges even though they're not de jure part of their domain when needed. 7Reasons to create duke-tier vassals. The feudal system is a type of decentralization which makes ruling easier at the expense of personal power. Vassal limit is a high concern to be worried about. 5 to 9 Stewardship -> +1 Domain Limit. Youre vassal limit is alot higher aswell Probably because they were holding a duchy in said kingdom, not because you hold too many. This means you can be both a Liege and a Vassal at the same time. 1Marry your vassals. Oh actually 70 with the crown 👑 on the head. I have Absolute Crown Authority. Any help is appreciated. Please explain how to reproduce the issue Press the claim of a kingdom as another king, that leads to above vassal limits after you won the war. Jun 4, 2023 · CK3 Vassals. Mar 5, 2021 · Powerful is a relative term; the game calls them powerful but the only thing that matters to you is are they actually powerful enough that if they start a fight with you can they win! I just ignore them and appoint the best person for the job (unless the best at the time is also rubbish in which case I appoint the powerful vassal temporarily). 1Benefits of having as many individual rulers as possible in the hierarchy under you. The crown that the emperor of the Holy Roman Empire wears is the best crown artifact you can get in CK3 that isn’t randomly simulated. Granting Vassals. 20 vassals above is enough to completely axe ALL contributions. May 3, 2022 · So, I'm going after the Lingua Franca achievement and overall it's way easier than I thought it would be. Rinse lather repeat for all Duchies. At the start of a civil war, every single vassal in the realm will be called to pick their side, creating multiple blocs of loyalist and rebel factions throughout the realm fighting for dominance. The Reichskrone offers the following bonuses: +5% Monthly Renown. 1. There are a few ways to deal with this: Depending on your start date, some historical characters have unique artifacts. Emperor up from 60 to 100. Combination that with instant mobilization - bad game design. They influence how vassals feel about various aspects of your rule, such as court positions, titles, feasts, wars, crown authority, religion, culture, and more. Then once you create those Duchy Titles, add Feudal Elective to them, hand them off to the vassal who will be your King. Everything you've worked for could be undone in years. So, around 5 kingdoms you basically have to have 4 king level vassals. This causes your contract obligations with them to be far, far less than they otherwise would be, and as such it is easy to get a permanent council seat or other powerful bonus in exchange for increasing them. Select 'Disinherit' and your heir will be kicked out of your will. Sep 13, 2020 · The other 20% would be solved by a 'transfer this vassal to' entry in the right-click menu for a character, so that if I am looking at a vassal i want to be rid of, i dont have to track down the recipient first and reverse-search for the unwanted vassal in the (unsorted and un-sortable) list. retief1. Oct 23, 2020 · Incidentally, Feudal Elective is also the way to set up reliable and strong Vassal Kingdoms. Stay powerful, rebuild, get under the limit and either try for independence yourself, or do it IMMEDIATELY when your heir inherits. Right now I look on my empire and I have 70 vassals with no limit in sign. This modification adds variety to the vassal limit. Oct 16, 2023 · Vassal stances in Crusader Kings 3 primarily affect the opinions and reactions of your vassals towards your actions as a liege. How to increase my realm size? Conquering, Inheriting, just adding cities, temples and castles or tribes to your realm. However, it’s kind of an irrelevant number. My vassal count is ~59 in my character sheet, which kinda works out I guess since I will be destroying the HRE princely elective that's giving me the 20 bonus vassals. that money is to bribe vassals in factions so they'll leave factions. Welcome to the beginner's guide for Crusader Kings III, a grand strategy game where you lead your medieval dynasty through warfare, diplomacy and intrigue on a path to glory. It is easier to deal with factions (plotting vassal title don't trigger whole faction) in ck2 and assassinations (you can see the plot). but yeah, the other guy's right about handing all your count vassals to higher title vassals. In return for their vassals' loyalty You can with Absolute authority change vassals contracts and stop internal wars but this gives you less gold overall because you have to very often pay to stop internal wars and your vassals conquer lot less than when you play with high authority. And this goes on till the maximum amount of Stewardship you can achieve. Once you have revoked every title of a I don't think, that ck3 easier. I want my vassals to conquer foreign countries, just not each other. When you take extra counties over your domain limit, there is an initial grace period. In Crusader Kings II, every vassal can only have 1 liege. What if i have a big money generating county or even duchy with focus on money, it seems like republican vassal would be more beneficial. This is because having dukes and counts outside of your main kingdom is objectively worse than having kings when you've reached vassal limit, not only because they take up your vassal limit, but also because there is a huge penalty for not being their rightful liege. #2. If you give counties to a duke and they go over their domain limit, they'll give away the extra counties to vassals of their own. Heck, you can even have them "duke it out" themselves. Dragster6681 Sep 9, 2020 @ 1:30pm. Sure it makes sense to preserve nobles traditional rights and culture but not for holy wars etc. Grant ducal titles to reduce the direct vassal number. And even if they do revolt, you will still have allies to help you in battle. Dec 1, 2020 · Unsubscribe. 0. You can also just fabricate claims on lands with your Bishop, it takes a year or so to justify and costs some I'll usually leave several duchies uncreated until later in the game when I actually hit the vassal limit. i did a mongol playthrough the other day and only hit vassal cap after taking asia, africa, eastern europe and france, germany, and italy. You basically just have to make your vassals bigger then. Plus, Partition has a +10 vassal opinion over Seniority. I prefer it when dukes have a minimal number of counts under them. 15 to 19 Stewardship -> +3 Domain Limit. Sep 24, 2020 · I like to make my vassals strong since your tax and levy from them depends on their own income and levies. This is why one of the best strategies in CK3 is to start with a character with good Martial and raise your Oh I'm dumb sorry. The final solution to dissolving factions is simple: crush them. No vassals no problems:) Just give independence to anyone you give land after exceeding domain limit. Oct 4, 2020 · I think you could only hold 2, but alot of vassals were unhappy you had them, I rememeber having to give them all away on ck2, because of negatives, none seem to care on ck3 no reason on CK3. With level 3 in the Feudal or Clan government type, High Crown Authority forbids vassals from fighting each other unless they have a hook on their liege, whilst Absolute Crown Authority, the maximum level, forbids them from fighting any war at all without your permission. It's not a race bro lol. 2. Apr 13, 2022 · Here's how to disinherit a child of yours: Go to your character menu by clicking on yourself in the bottom left of the screen. You can fabricate a claim on the county to revoke it for free, so after you retract vassalage from the Duke usurp it from the count. That was for duchies. That being said, yes, vassals of vassals pay less taxes. Teching up to Majesty V for the Imperial admin (+25 to vassal limit) Being the HRE (+20 to vassal limit) Piling several viceroyalty kingdoms on a single vassal. During this grace period, you won’t experience the debuffs of your new counties over the limit. There is another way to handle having multiple sons with gavelkind, make your younger sons bishops (either build churchs in lands you control, revoke the bishop title from someone, or conquer a county in a holy war which has a bishop/mosque in it). Jan 3, 2021 · I think the vassal limit can bug out sometimes, you should verify that the amount of direct vassals you have actually match the amount shown. Emperors get an increased vassal limit and the ability to have vassal kings, which are already incredibly valuable rewards. First level of Crown and Tribal Authority laws now add 20 vassals to limit, and reduces it by 10 for each next level (+20/+10/+0/-10), like centralization in CK2. Way 6: Diplomacy + lots of gifts. The more vassals in between you and a holding, the less tax/levy you get from it. Keep a personal army of MAA+knights strong enough that you crush any rebellion (vassals take away levies they lend you during the coup). 7. Perfectly satisfied if my vassals can only give 5k troops if it means maintaining massive retinue regiments and keeping holy orders/mercenaries on permanent employment. CK2 limit was much smaller, 20 if I remember. The Emperor's crown authority is set to "Autonomous vassals" so I should be able to wage war against other vassals. There is a practical limit to the number of vassals that a house can directly manage before the administrative burden becomes too high. Not to mention, getting a third duchy would imply the realm has become more centralized The way I deal with messy large empires is to: 1: Consolidate vassals into kingdoms and if possible give them to family members. Both games aren't difficult. Well I'd rather grant independence to a kingdom held by my dynasty than risk managing powerful vassals when I go over the limit. 11. If you take his title away he will become unhappy, which is probably of little concern to you right now, and you can appoint whoever you want. My only issue is that pesky vassal limit. May 8, 2014 · 2. Same for when you take over a kingdom with certain CBs. I want to take Ormond back to 'unite' the Petty Kingdom of i am now about 60 direct vassals over my limit of 60. King up from 40 to 50. Jun 17, 2022 · The biggest hassle in CK3 by far, and your biggest obstacle to success, is when it comes to dealing with factions. You can also click on the land and/or title, and select grant title from there, getting a suggested list of people. Jun 3, 2022 · 6. For Britannia with a strong diplomat emperor, I think you could manage keeping every single vassal as a direct vassal if you really wanted to, at least after you get Bailiffs. The more direct vassal holdings, the more money you make. Giving more power to your council with conclave will also increase your vassal limit, and so will decentralizing your realm. Way 4: Brute force. Every 5 points of diplomacy skill add 1 vassal to limit. 2Make vassals unable to join factions. By manually handing everything out you can limit this. You can use it to increase the vassal limit. I basically want to give him Leinster (county) and also make him Petty King of Leinster. This style of play was already a thing in the previous version of the game, but has been made even stronger and more viable in CK3, remaining an enduring player favourite well into the lifetime Strategy on vassals is play at exactly your domain limit as much as possible and if you have to give away land and create vassals try to like, not make an ambitious sadistic dude your vassal. Sep 2, 2020 · Having similar issue on 1. usually with normal income you can have that saved up within a 1-2 years easy. Oct 14, 2016 · Moar vassal troops is nice, but a long reign means relationships stagnate and troops given diminish; gold is forever. No, Im talking about vassal limit. Whenever you conquer new land, you should be planning on 1-2 duchies who will be the core domain of your King vassal. Half the time I fabricate claims within my own kingdom quite alot to transfer land the way I see fit without murder, or angry vassals. 3 control, then grab Strict Organization which gives +20% Increase Control in Country Progress Gain. +25 Vassal Limit. It is a lot easier to manage fewer vassals than many. 6 Comments. This is usually the best way to do it since there are many reasons your character can find to rightfully revoke the titles of one of their vassals. Forming alliances is an extremely effective way to deal with a faction. It is real work to fix my vassal and domain limit after every war. Jump to latest Follow Reply. skyrim May 18 @ 5:49pm. The limit is calculated based on your house's score in Administration. Give the duchy (and count vassals) to your HEIR. In your situation it seems dire, I would probably do what ^ he said or release large swabs of land to get yourself afloat till later or increase your diplomacy to increase your limit. Jun 4, 2024 · The vassal limit is the number of direct vassals (excluding Barons) a ruler can have without penalties. However, the new counties will also be inactive, as mentioned earlier. Just 3 extra duchies held means a -45 general opinion malus with all vassals. Only Counts, Dukes or Kings have an effect for the Vassal-Limit A Baron (from a Castle, City or Temple) has no effect for the Vassal-Limit So, you have (for example) to give away 2 of your Counts to 1 of your Dukes to reduce (in this case) your Vassals by "-2" under your Vassal-Limit Otherwise, it is a BUG. Codex. Feb 3, 2024 · At least some were last verified for version 1. However, by the time you're getting carpal tunnel from granting land you are likely already at a power level where this doesn't really matter. Declaring war on an ally will add -25 Popular Opinion for 3 years. Jan 16, 2023 · A vassal's direct ruler is called their liege. There are fewer than 60 dejure empires on the map, so you'll never hit the vassal limit with this. With all of this done, your vassals should be nicely expanding your empire and converting the land. Ruling through fear can be an option if May 29, 2022 · Save money first make sure you have at least 400 to 700 gold saved up depending on size of realm regardless of anything else ready for your heir to take over. •. so for instance I'll give the duke of paris france, aquitaine, and burgundy. Sep 11, 2023 · Want to learn every way you can create theocratic vassals in a realm that doesn't already have them?Watch my video on it here: https://youtu. With four holdings each that'd make for 21 or 22 vassals, depending on your own domain size. Omega_des. pengoyo. Sep 13, 2018 · Best one for me is usually transferring vassals so they serve under a higher rank vassal. Trait Augustus now add 20 vassals to limit. Go to the 'hostile' subheading - you may have to click the 'more' option to see all choices. Keep your vassals as counts until you hit your vassal limit. The effect of the “too many held Duchies” debuff is infinite. It is primarily based on the rank of the ruler's primary title and can be increased by title laws and traits. - Crown of Justinian: +10 vassal limit. 3Scatter the demands. This will disqualify them from succession. 3 where I've hit the limit, but it doesn't go down after creating duchies, and handing off the title and associated counts. Most of the time I give all the counties that are underneath a duchy (or two) to a single person, and let them form the titles themself. I have 2 unpressed claims on neighbouring counties and for neither of them I can't go to war anymore. Mar 4, 2024 · At least some were last verified for version 1. Sep 14, 2020 · New Vassal Limit and Mechanisms. Nov 10, 2020 · Emperors should have 3 duchies instead of 2. I like to give each viceroy vassal about a de jure empire. 3 control per month) and focus on the overseer tree. The domain I grabbed some counties of neighbouring fellow vassals but suddenly can't do this anymore. Sep 6, 2020 · Such as conquered another county or grant a vassal independence, which will immediately refresh the "Vassal Limits" to the correct number. The vassal limit can also be changed in 00_basic_modifiers. Check your Crown Authority level in the Realm view towards the top. Then immediately afterward, make “arrangements” to replace these vassals with people the ruler can actually trust. Make sure you don't incur tyranny, not exactly sure what the penalties are but can't be good. Apr 21, 2021 · And if you want to easily hold lots of duchy buildings, you should play as a multiduke rather than king or emperor, as there's no opinion penalty for number of duchies in that case. almost all of my vassals (apart from my main kingdom where i have duke vassals) are kings and it is pretty stable since nobody dares to attack me (even the mongols dont mess with me and the pope is long gone). ago. . Oct 19, 2022 · Below 5 Stewardship -> +0 Domain Limit. Simply manage your heir count by Celibacy, or marrying old infertile women with good stats. First level of Crown and Tribal Authority laws now add 20 vassals to limit, and reduces it by 10 for Feudal vassals give 25% maximum but with big opinion penalties. This, many people still dont know this. +2% Monthly Prestige per Powerful Vassal on the Council. By: erter. I'd only create powerful vassals once we get back viceroyalties from Ck3. Each duchy will lose the opinion of your vassals by 15. Failing all of that having high diplomacy on your ruler, wife, and chancellor will give you a few bonus points to your limit as well. txt if you wish to mod the game. This might be unhelpful because I haven’t played CK2 recently enough to remember if the penalties are the same…but in Ck3 “over vassal limit” has no relationship penalty and caps at 95% loss of vassal taxes/levies…obviously it hurts a lot when you cross the threshold, but you can definitely ignore it once it becomes difficult to keep Oct 14, 2020 · The solution to the vassal limit issue is to simply create bigger vassals. Jun 15, 2021 · Want to learn about succession?! Follow the simple tips I outline in this succession guide to stop your glorious realm from losing land on your players death you don't really NEED to go feudal, depending on your goals. The vassal limit was designed to prevent you from steam rolling the world like that. When a house has too many vassals to We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Keeping Your Vassals Weak. Nice little way to deal with some of your more troublesome count-level vassals - if someone won't shut up about not being on the council, for instance, well, they can't be on my council if they aren't my direct vassal. < >. Your dynasty should be growing exponentially, and the game will start playing itself. Vassal stances do not directly impact other game features Oct 1, 2020 · Description. Add that to a modifier effecting your character, such as found in Character Traits it Religion Doctrines, and you will receive the benefits. Jul 1, 2022 · Exceeding the limit reduces the income from vassals by 5% for each vassal above the limit. The counts will fight among each other and eventually the stronger ones will form duchies without you having to do a thing. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. When I get superhuge like in the OPs picture, I give each vassal the land in an entire dejure empire. As title; Emperors having 3 duchies would make empires more rewarding to finally achieve. So there is a lot of blobbing in CK3 and in some part this is due to the extremely high vassal limit. Report. be/6QhwQGUdph4I Apr 13, 2022 · Crusader Kings 3 is getting two new expansions in 2024, starting March. Like I usually give king vassals control over the modern borders of the kingdom if I have a huge empire. A Workshop Item for Crusader Kings III. Sometimes one of the ways seems to bug out and not be visible, but the other way always seems to be there (for me at Jan 8, 2022 · Reworked Civil Wars. Ah, okay, I've got you. vv fd fn ql mj uu kv lv qz oz